tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post2480063486097924808..comments2023-09-18T01:27:25.848+10:00Comments on haiku of nobody: nobodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-81434219345945013542009-03-21T11:15:00.000+11:002009-03-21T11:15:00.000+11:00all the money gonebanks broken with lies, insaneno...all the money gone<BR/>banks broken with lies, insane<BR/>now we must eat wordsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-59867824051092558432009-03-21T02:53:00.000+11:002009-03-21T02:53:00.000+11:00very stuffy jobendless pocket yoga bendsspend, I n...very stuffy job<BR/>endless pocket yoga bends<BR/>spend, I need some airAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-45117858982681668002009-03-20T12:58:00.000+11:002009-03-20T12:58:00.000+11:00And hello to Solong Suckah and debbn maid. You bot...And hello to Solong Suckah and debbn maid. You both get the gag, obviously. Very good.nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-36826124268535510982009-03-20T12:55:00.000+11:002009-03-20T12:55:00.000+11:00Ardent worshippers,their eyes a hell-bent glimmerf...Ardent worshippers,<BR/>their eyes a hell-bent glimmer<BR/>for this, their god.<BR/><BR/>Trinity be damned -<BR/>this God has a thousand faces,<BR/>each stamped on paper.<BR/><BR/>Thirsty or drowning?<BR/>All who worship Mammon are,<BR/>one or the other.nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-84494268093230964392009-03-20T11:58:00.000+11:002009-03-20T11:58:00.000+11:00don't pick up the cashthere is nothing you can buy...don't pick up the cash<BR/>there is nothing you can buy<BR/>that can save your soulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-26942538930825366752009-03-20T08:14:00.000+11:002009-03-20T08:14:00.000+11:00edit:harvesting the notescalloused but my hands ar...edit:<BR/><BR/>harvesting the notes<BR/>calloused but my hands are soft<BR/>starting to sweat thoughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-54748931696289403172009-03-20T08:07:00.000+11:002009-03-20T08:07:00.000+11:00harvesting the notesplenty callous, just not on sk...harvesting the notes<BR/>plenty callous, just not on skin<BR/>starting to sweat, thoughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-4171329039299500232009-03-20T02:26:00.000+11:002009-03-20T02:26:00.000+11:00hey minimalist!this money will satisfyevaporatinghey minimalist!<BR/>this money will satisfy<BR/>evaporatingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-3774428762953310012009-03-19T16:58:00.000+11:002009-03-19T16:58:00.000+11:00first I steal five billsthen you bail me out seve...first I steal five bills<BR/>then you bail me out seven<BR/>my bonus is fiveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-38719155697517070552009-03-19T16:19:00.000+11:002009-03-19T16:19:00.000+11:00PS My Tokyo example aside, haiku in English are fa...PS My Tokyo example aside, haiku in English are far heavier than they are in Japanese. Japanese haiku in are REALLY minimalist. Subsequently, having too many syllables is making a bad problem worse. But having too few errs in the right direction. If you can dig it.<BR/><BR/>PPS Aargh! The battery's running out and I still haven't written a haiku! Back later. Oh, and good haiku everybody. And Mir, bravo.nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-3277883269219534302009-03-19T16:09:00.000+11:002009-03-19T16:09:00.000+11:00Well that worked a treat.As for syllables (Sorry S...Well that worked a treat.<BR/><BR/>As for syllables (Sorry Susana! I didn't realise that that was a question. I thought it was a haiku with you screwing with the count for comedic value. No really), where was I? Oh yes - let's not forget poetic licence. Which is to say that in Japanese, every letter is a syllable, same same. Or more precisely, Japanese has no syllables per se. There's just letters. And that's what they count.<BR/><BR/>Actually here's the romanised japanese alphabet -<BR/><BR/>a i u e o<BR/>ka ki ku ke ko<BR/><BR/>sa shi su se so<BR/>ta chi tsu te to<BR/><BR/>na ni nu ne no<BR/>ha hi hu he ho<BR/><BR/>ma mi mu me mo<BR/>ya yu yo<BR/><BR/>ra ri ru re ro<BR/><BR/>and 'n' pronounced 'ng' and used to end words such as wakarimasen (= 'I don't understand').<BR/><BR/>It's all very straightforward. Until you put it into English. In Japanese 'tokyo' is not two syllables. It's four. Tokyo should be written Toukyou. (Since Japanese vowels are never dipthongs to get 'o' as in 'toe', and the same for the 'kyo', requires two letters. Sure enough we don't write it that way in English since we'd want to pronounce those vowels as 'ow', as in 'how now' or something. Thus 'In Tokyo' is three syllables for us, but five for the Japanese - to,u,kyo,u,de ('de' = at/in)<BR/><BR/>Have I confused everyone yet?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, what with English lacking phonetics or otherwise being sensible, defining haiku by way of syllables is actually only an approximation of the Japanese rules.<BR/><BR/>Oh! I forget to mention poetic licence. Since in English we can elide vowels, everything goes to hell. And I'm cool with that. Subseqently I'm prepared to consider the word 'every' as three syllables (ev, er, ree) or two (ev, ree). Likewise, 'innumerable' can be five (in,num,eh,ra,bull), or four (in,num,ra,bull). Whatever works.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter. Hopefully that's made everything clear. Or confused everyone. It'll definitely be one of those two.nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-6404817798267521572009-03-19T15:30:00.000+11:002009-03-19T15:30:00.000+11:00Bloody hell! You go away for five minutes and come...Bloody hell! You go away for five minutes and come back to find you're being psycho-analysed. And pretty well it seems! "coiled up and ready to strike" Ha ha ha ha - spooky!<BR/><BR/>Since we're on the topic, I'll tell you what it is. Only one thing makes me angry, and that's having my intelligence insulted. And that's why I hate liars and bullshit artists - they insult my intelligence. Um, amongst other things, now that I think about it...<BR/><BR/>But the fact remains that if I twig that my intelligence has been insulted, it's like a switch has been flicked.<BR/><BR/>But! As much as I like talking about me, I detest talking about me. So, since it's all about me, let's stop. Truth be known I'm a very dull fellow.<BR/><BR/>Aargh, still talking about myself. Hmm... there must be someway to stop. Perhaps if I push this orange button below...nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-51271929996056552322009-03-19T04:56:00.001+11:002009-03-19T04:56:00.001+11:00doug,In your wily Japanese one, you have more than...doug,<BR/>In your wily Japanese one, you have more than 7 or 9 in the second line. But this appears to be in the interest of making the "nice package" about radio and idiot box vis a vis haiku in the days of yore..<BR/><BR/>"radio idiot box" as your second line would not have worked, too distilled, missing your point about times prior.<BR/><BR/>So, is this kind of a good example about what I was trying to say about articles, prepositions english vs japanese. Maybe we need a form of "Big Gulp" Americanized haiku because we can't squeeze into those Japanese genes? So maybe Su anticipates this and just blows thru the difficulties without noticing on her way to feed her guinea pigs...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-59182196884166377082009-03-19T04:29:00.000+11:002009-03-19T04:29:00.000+11:00Doug, I like the distill part of haiku form. I won...Doug, I like the distill part of haiku form. I wonder whether that is easier in Japanese. It seems like in Engwish we need articles and prepositions and such that kind of rack up the silly bull count. So should we cut ourselves more silly bull slack when working in Engvish then? I should be asking Nobody all this of course but your post was so long and authoritive I think I got a mild case of Stockholm syndrome and have imprinted on you as the Uberdaddy now. Which may be lucky for Nobody as my Oedipal Complex was starting to hatch plans for pre-emptive strikes. "If you meet the Nobody on the road, kill him."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-17825563907423381032009-03-19T03:40:00.000+11:002009-03-19T03:40:00.000+11:00haiku to you toohere we have 7 PLUS 2?thank you! G...haiku to you too<BR/>here we have 7 PLUS 2?<BR/>thank you! Gesundheit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-50148215457177141892009-03-18T22:04:00.000+11:002009-03-18T22:04:00.000+11:00...and no item laid down with such linear drive an......and no item laid down with such linear drive and posted sans review would be complete without the follow-on "oh hell" corrections as I review my diatribe for the first time by the light of LCD screen.<BR/><BR/>The worst one of all is the first counting example, which hides the very first F-up in plain sight: seven is two syllables, not one. When my aging brain asked me to check, I looked at my handy laptop Webster's and was surprised to find it listed as one. When I lokked again, it still felt wrong so I grabbed the big book of the nearby shelf. Also Webster's, FWIW. Two. Right. Try not to take me as seriously as I take myself. Whimsy, what I need right now is a fresh dose of whimsy... =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-41171524229351545502009-03-18T21:47:00.000+11:002009-03-18T21:47:00.000+11:00You're onto something Mr. K; whimsy feels right bu...You're onto something Mr. K; whimsy <I>feels</I> right but there's a sense of something much larger (and perhaps scarier, but isn't that always the case) coiled up and ready to strike at a moment's notice should injustice raise its meaty, rheumatic fist within view.<BR/><BR/>I only suspect this because I too house such a creature, and it is primarily responsible for my having studiously avoided rising to meet the "potential" I have been told I possess by those who would steer it to their own ends. To do so in the way I would naturally has the very specific effect of leading me into head-on conflict with the managers of the global mindfuck.<BR/><BR/>And we all know they have no time for haiku.<BR/><BR/>Which I believe the good Mr. N already knows, and why we engage in these weekly poetry gatherings: to keep the bots and spiders at bay!<BR/><BR/>Not to mention providing a friendly cranial workout to specific parts of the mind to those who may not use those particular mental muscles as often as they probably should.<BR/><BR/>For the two of you who are still uncertain -- and you know who you are -- here's the formal breakdown on haiku, complete with a funky little diagram to help build a fresh mental picture:<BR/><BR/>Five/syl/la/bles/here<BR/>Seven/syl/la/bles/here/plus/two<BR/>Five/syl/la/bles/here<BR/><BR/>That's the pattern. And as Mr. N so succinctly stated, if you're not in it you might be poetic -- but it is most definitely not haiku.<BR/><BR/>If you're uncertain of the number of syllables in a word, it can be fairly reliably "sounded out" by speaking the word aloud slowly and picking out the phonetic breaks, as in syl/la/ble.<BR/><BR/>Lacking faith in your own mouth and mind, the answer also resides in just about every dictionary ever printed, as one convention since the days of Oxford über alles is to list the words with their syllable breaks clearly marked.<BR/><BR/>What has this to do<BR/>with fiat paper you ask, naught I<BR/>say, but it's haiku<BR/><BR/>At least structurally. As Mr. N also made clear, each line is meant to be a discreet package of ideas, linked together but stand-alone in their conceptual nature. The last example above clearly breaks this line break rule.<BR/><BR/>Wily Japanese<BR/>before the radio and idiot box<BR/>Very creative<BR/><BR/>While this does not read as "proper" Engrish, it is in fact a lovely little tongue-in-cheek textbook example of how the game really works in its most basic form.<BR/><BR/>Our host Nobody<BR/>Knows the rules and respects them<BR/>Until he breaks them<BR/><BR/>Odd Miraculix<BR/>Using rules as camouflage<BR/>A cynical soul<BR/><BR/>Nobody's friends<BR/>Some know the rules, some do not<BR/>They write what they want<BR/><BR/>Haiku is a form<BR/>Forms are not rules, but guidelines<BR/>As Kennedy said<BR/><BR/>Consider stanzas<BR/>Paragraphs, sentences, words<BR/>As discreet packages<BR/><BR/>Distill inner wisdom<BR/>Eliminate all but essence<BR/>That is a haiku...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-1991674515222445402009-03-18T03:04:00.000+11:002009-03-18T03:04:00.000+11:00silly consumerwhich shell is the pea under?None. I...silly consumer<BR/>which shell is the pea under?<BR/>None. It's in your brain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-22135818328154595402009-03-18T02:49:00.000+11:002009-03-18T02:49:00.000+11:00banksters celebrateyour life is their confettiyour...banksters celebrate<BR/>your life is their confetti<BR/>your gold for their strawAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-69328319666630515512009-03-18T01:01:00.000+11:002009-03-18T01:01:00.000+11:00thinking in song as usual, if I may take a liberty...thinking in song as usual, if I may take a liberty with your Haiku blog.<BR/>advance apologies to you nobody :)<BR/><BR/>Ya know though lyrics can be poetic<BR/>Or prophetic?<BR/><BR/>Money, its a crime.<BR/>Share it fairly but dont take a slice of my pie.<BR/>Money, so they say<BR/>Is the root of all evil today.<BR/>But if you ask for a raise its no surprise that they're<BR/>Giving none away.Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16834513101685995010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-32621993860884162022009-03-18T00:55:00.000+11:002009-03-18T00:55:00.000+11:00Pieces of paperBewitching of their holderWorthless...Pieces of paper<BR/>Bewitching of their holder<BR/>Worthless in the end<BR/><BR/><BR/>Colourful money<BR/>Colours the understanding<BR/>of papers real worthPennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16834513101685995010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-3827031976339028972009-03-17T22:57:00.000+11:002009-03-17T22:57:00.000+11:00Money world over,Economic Recession,Everyone wants...Money world over,<BR/>Economic Recession,<BR/>Everyone wants some!Skyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00198283033410908267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-617399027384547672009-03-17T13:05:00.000+11:002009-03-17T13:05:00.000+11:00took it to the bankthey were glad to reserve iti...took it to the bank<BR/>they were glad to reserve it<BR/>in case of the runs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-79122138148313471122009-03-17T10:59:00.000+11:002009-03-17T10:59:00.000+11:00Ha ha ha - Grrrrr!Ha ha ha - Grrrrr!nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067422372087431256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2356283281909852148.post-74268166375525072812009-03-17T06:24:00.000+11:002009-03-17T06:24:00.000+11:00Leaving the toiletHe gave me a dollar billDidn't w...Leaving the toilet<BR/>He gave me a dollar bill<BR/>Didn't wash his handsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com